Fedora 7 Time: Moonshine

KDE Live CD InstallKDE Live CD InstallIf you've read any Linux news sites today, you know that Fedora 7 was released this morning and is codenamed Moonshine. You may have noticed by now that I only seem to cover the releases of Red Hat related distros. That is because that is what I prefer. I'd certainly welcome other members covering their favorite distros. Can you hear me Ubuntu users?

If you didn't know already, the Fedora Project has dropped the word Core from the name and with this release you no longer have to download multiple CDs. Fedora 7 is a lot like Ubuntu in that it has a single Live / Install CD that is based on Gnome. For KDE (K Desktop Environment) users, there is another, single Live / Install CD that is KDE based. For those who want to download as much as possible and have a lot of software to pick from, there is also a single DVD that has both Gnome and KDE and much, much more. Me? I decided to download them all... but since the KDE .iso completed first, and hey, I'm a big KDE person, I took the KDE Live / Install CD for a spin.

Click on the image thumbnails for popups of the larger images or go directly to the Image Gallery for all of the screenshots.

Network ConfigurationNetwork ConfigurationA 3D Install?

The machine I did the install on (the screenshots are NOT from a VMware based install) had an onboard Intel 82945G/GZ video chipset and Xorg loves it and supports accelerated 3D with it. From the Live CD I selected:

Kmenu -> System -> Beryl Manager

Beryl loaded and bingo bango... I had a 3D desktop. If the desktop background looks a little weird it is because I set the display to be 70% saturated and you can see my six-sided desktop showing through.

Setting the timezoneSetting the timezoneIf you aren't familiar with Beryl, just go to Google Video or YouTube (same thing) and do a search. Everybody and their sister has made a Beryl demo video. :)

So far as the install goes, basically a more streamlined version of the standard install runs inside of a window on top of the desktop. You pick the desired Language, configure your Network, set a root Password, assign Partitions, set Timezone... all the standard stuff.

I used the KDE screengrabber from the Fedora 7 KDE Live CD to grab all of the screenshots during the install. I was a bit surprised to see that it works fine when doing the Beryl 3D stuff.

Getting back to Beryl

Ok, Beryl really isn't part of the install but if you haven't seen it before, right-click on the Beryl icon in the system tray... and walk through the various sections and examine all of the features. I like to have a 6 or more sided desktop. I like to see through my desktop. I like to zoom out when rotating. It is so much fun.

Windows float and have depth. If you set your cube sides to be see through then you can see the backsides of windows. If those windows are doing something, for example a web browser showing an animated gif, that will still run even while you are manipulating the cube. Darn it, I forgot to take a screenshot of the... what's it called... where you all of the windows on all desktops show as shrunken versions of themselves so you can quickly pick the one you want. Well, whatever you call that.

Various Beryl Effects

Beryl is a lot of fun. Some of its features are actually more than eye candy. I often enjoy zooming in on the screen to make a tiny flash video embedded in a web browser window full screen.

Its what you'd expect but maybe less

The Fedora 7 KDE Live CD sticks strickly with KDE applications. Firefox, GIMP nor OpenOffice.org are installed. Instead you get the Konqueror, KolourPaint and the Koffice suite of applictions as you would expect. Conversely, if you go with the stock Fedora 7 Live CD, you'll get all Gnome apps... and if you install from the DVD you'll get more choice. Of course you can install any and everything else your heart desires post-install... if you can get past the first-week bandwidth storms.

One thing Fedora has stuck with, and it has disheartened the weaker among us (yeah, I'm talking about you Eric S. Raymond!), is strickly free software. You won't get the Flash plugin, Realplayer, Adobe Acrobat Reader, mp3 playback, DVD decryption and playback, and all of those other proprietary codecs. Why not? Because they are forbidden items. What does that mean? To quote the release notes:

Fedora software repositories cannot include support for MP3 or DVD video playback or recording. The MP3 formats are patented, and the patent holders have not provided the necessary patent licenses. DVD video formats are patented and equipped with an encryption scheme. The patent holders have not provided the necessary patent licenses, and the code needed to decrypt CSS-encrypted discs may violate the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, a copyright law of the United States. Fedora also excludes other multimedia software due to patent, copyright, or license restrictions, including Adobe's Flash Player and Real Media's Real Player. For more on this subject, please refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems.

While other MP3 options may be available for Fedora, Fluendo now offers a free MP3 plugin for GStreamer that has the necessary patent license for end users. This plugin enables MP3 support in applications that use the GStreamer framework as a backend. Fedora does not include this plugin since we prefer to support and encourage the use of patent unrestricted open formats instead. For more information about the MP3 plugin, visit Fluendo's website at http://www.fluendo.com/.

There are also a number of third-party repos that provide the forbidden items.

I have to say that the Release Notes are quite extensive so check them out... if you can. The Fedora sites seem to be quite busy today.


Hey, it's a Red Hat based distro so of course you have to do the firstboot thing. After the install is done, you reboot and on that first boot you get to do quite a few steps of post install configuration... like creating a user account, setting up the firewall, and all of those useful things.

More Graphical Stuff

The default GDM theme is really slick looking. It uses faces so you'll see an entry for each user you have created on the system. Clicking on a user's face entry is the equivalent of typing in their username... so it's all about less typing.

For those coming from the Windows world, they now create all of those goofy document type directories in all users' home directories. They call that Localized Common User Directories (xdg-user-dirs) and they include Documents, Music, Pictures, and Downloads directories.

It goes without saying that if Xorg natively supports your video card / chipset with accelerated graphics... you should strongly consider turning on the Beryl eye candy... unless you are on a slower machine and want to save clock cycles.


While I've installed every test release of Fedora 7 and one of the release candidates and am very familiar with all of the new stuff... I'm tired of typing. Read those extensive Release Notes! Hey, this is good stuff... for the desktop user... but then again, being a big Red Hat aka Fedora fan, I'd probably be happy with anything they slap the name on, eh? :)

Oh, and you don't HAVE to use the Live CD just for doing installs. You can use it as a Live CD as well. The machine I was working with had a darn fast optical drive and loading applications was fast. I was able to make screenshots, save them to my Pictures directory (in RAM?) and then open up a terminal and scp them to my workstation for publication... while the install was going. After the install was done, I could use it some more.

Fedora 7 does a fanastic job of automounting USB media so if you'd want any more permenant storage from the Live CD setup you can plug in one of those. For those who really like USB drives, you can even use some of the new, more advanced tools that come with Fedora 7 and make yourself a bootable USB without destroying any files you already have on the USB stick. Of course that assumes your hardware as capable of booting from an USB thumb drive to begin with.

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here is the results of lspci

here is the results of lspci of my system:

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 2770 (rev 02)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 2772 (rev 02)
00:1b.0 Class 0403: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 27d8 (rev 01)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 27c8 (rev 01)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 27c9 (rev 01)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 27ca (rev 01)
00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 27cb (rev 01)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 27cc (rev 01)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801 PCI Bridge (rev e1)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 27b8 (rev 01)
00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 27c0 (rev 01)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 27da (rev 01)
01:02.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
01:05.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.: Unknown device 8167 (rev 10)

I am currently running fedora core 3

Thank you and best regards

intel 945 gz problems

Dear Sir
I know linux for about 10 years. I loved the system that I almost left windows. Last month I bought a new systemwith mother board intel 945 gz. I found a lot of problem installing fedora 5 and 6 on the machine. fedora 3 and redhat enterprize is ok but the sound and onboard lan is not detected. The major problem is that when I tried to setup windows it did not complete. I hope somebody help me solve the problem. By the way I am located at Cairo, Egypt.

Scott Dowdle's picture

Intel motherboards and chipsets


I don't know if you'll ever make it back here to read this reply or not... but here it goes:

I'd not recommend using any release of Fedora other than the most recent. The support cycle for Fedora is rather short and support for Fedora Core 5 stopped at the end of June.

I've had excellent luck with the motherboards I've used that have the Intel chipsets. Here's an lspci listing from a Dell Optiplex 620 Small Form Factor machine that has quite a bit of the Intel stuff integrated:

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ/P/PL Memory Controller Hub (rev 02)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ/P/PL PCI Express Root Port (rev 02)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 01)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 01)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI #1 (rev 01)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI #2 (rev 01)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI #3 (rev 01)
00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI #4 (rev 01)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev e1)
00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GB/GR (ICH7 Family) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 01)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) IDE Controller (rev 01)
00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801GB/GR/GH (ICH7 Family) Serial ATA Storage Controller IDE (rev 01)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 01)
02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5751 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 01)

I have a number of those at work and they are dual-boot Windows XP and CentOS 5.0. The xorg that is included with CentOS 5.0 (which is based on Fedora Core 6) loves the onboard Intel chipset and supports accelerated 3D just fine. I believe support for accelerated 3D started somewhere around CentOS 4.2.

Give a Fedora 7 LiveCD a try and see if that works for you. I do realize you have a completely different NIC so that may or may not still be a problem... but I would be surprised because Intel has been quite good at releasing the specs for their hardware... which has lead to excellent Linux support.

Good Luck!

livecd works just fine with

livecd works just fine with me. Everything but the network is working for my system just fine and as I expect from my system.

Thank you and best regards

Worzie's picture

re: intel 945 gz problems

Dear amin khalil,
We might be able to help if we better knew what problems you are having with Fedora 5 or 6. If 3 is ok but not with your sound board, perhaps it will with FC6 or Fedora 7. Again we just need to understand better what sort of trouble you are having.

intel 945gz

Thank you for your kind reply.
The problem I am facing is that the fedora 5 and 6 setup freeze at the point of installing the package
xorg-***- drivers.rpm (0 bytes), anaconda doesn't go past this point with a window with a message:
" preparing transaction ........" a message similar to the one at the beginning of installation. The mouse is active but no other response.
Thank you and best regards.

Scott Dowdle's picture

Screen captures during install?

You have to remember that I installed from the Fedora 7 KDE LiveCD. So, I booted up the machine from the LiveCD and had a functioning system. The LiveCD just happens to have an install program too... so I ran that and was able to use KDE's KSnapshot Screen Capture Program to take the screenshots. As I mentioned, I was rather surprised that KSnapshot didn't have any problems with the zoomed out desktop nor while spinning. :)

Beryl is present on the KDE LiveCD but oddly enough, it isn't on the standard Fedora 7 LiveCD which is based on GNOME. The Fedora 7 LiveCD does include compiz and a little utility to turn on desktop goodies... so you can do the cube desktop, wobbly windows... so it is a very small subset of what Beryl offers.

Of course, after the install you can install whatever you want so you can easily add Beryl to a system installed from the GNOME-based LiveCD... and the install DVD (which isn't a LiveDVD) is always an option too.

RPM based Distro?

Nice little presentation, Scott!

Looks like I might have to try out Fedora just to have one RPM based OS on my 'puter. Lost interest in SuSE when Novell signed that agreement with M$. Was planning on purchashing a new Xandros version, but they blew it, too! I still like their bootloader best though, so will stick with version 3.0. I recently installed Mint 2.2 "Bianca" VERY NICE! Also installed Elive. This one may force me to actually learn something. For an old man whose eyes, ears and mind are going fast, it may be quite a challenge, learning to do more than point 'n click. Tried Mandriva One 2007, but it's not nearly as impressive as I had hoped. So, still have Mepis, and probably will continue with it, as Mepis is still the Distro that does the best job of recognizing and utilizing ALL of my hardware.

How was it again that you were able to do screen captures of the istall process? I'm impressed! Do like the eye candy, even if the only real use for it is to show Windoze users what they COULD have!

Anonymouse -- please reread

Fedora cannot charge for the support of MP3 or DVD playback or anything else -- it's not included. You can stick with gentoo if you like, but please understand that Fedora does not have and never will have plans to charge you for anything.

The reason why you don't get this software out of the box is that these formats are covered by patents and Fedora is about free (libre) software and file formats, as opposed to restricted software and formats -- such as DVD, MP3 and Flash.

no thank you.

I'll be sticking with Gentoo which doesn't plan on charging for mp3/dvd/flash support in the future.

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